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Edward Douglas here with the inaugural installment of Hero Chat, SuperHeroHype's readable podcast where we talk about comics and comic and superhero movies for your reading entertainment. No aspect of anything related to comics will be off limits, and while we'll always have one or two of the SuperHeroHype staff involved, we hope to have special guests as well as sometimes even getting some of our readers involved.
But first, let me introduce the co-host of Hero Chat and the latest addition to SuperHeroHype, Mr. Spencer Perry! Anything to add, Spencer?
"Hi, everyone! Glad you've decided to check out our Hero Chat. I was really excited to be brought aboard the team here at CS/SHH a few months ago, but I'm doubly excited for the potential that we have with this. I hope you guys enjoy reading it as much as we did participating!"
For our first Hero Chat ever, we have the two other primer movers and shakers from ComingSoon.net and SuperHeroHype, our Los Angeles writer Silas Lesnick and our Editor-in-Chief, Mirko Parlevliet, both who popped in for part of the chat. Besides talking about The Dark Knight Rises, we also touch upon two of the hottest topics from the Marvel Studios' panel at Comic-Con as well as looking at the rise and potential fall of superhero movies in terms of popularity.
So you can keep track of who is speaking:
TOPIC #1 – THE WINTER SOLDIER
The first topic I'd like to bring up is the announcement that the Cap sequel will be subtitled The Winter Soldier and that they're going down that route so soon.
Maybe they're thinking long term and want to spin it off into it's own feature?
Oh, I'm sure they did but I have to be honest (and maybe it's just cause I'm a purist) but I was kind of annoyed when they brought Bucky back in the comics at all. They were able to go so long keeping him dead and then out of the blue, he's been out there for 50 years being trained as a Russian assassin.
I guess that can be chalked up to a writer saying, "Hey I liked this when I read comics, let's bring it back!"
It was done well and it's decent comics but it's still been only a few years and it's not a story idea that's proven to stand the test of time.
I'm not sure anyone writing for Marvel was reading comics when Bucky was actually alive. Even his death was a retcon.
It does seem like a gamble on Marvel's part.
I wonder how they'll do it for the movie.
Well, doing it for the movie annoys me even more because one of my biggest problems with "Captain America: The First Avenger" was how they handled Bucky and his death In hindsight, it's obvious they made him older so they could have Sebastian Stan be Winter Soldier, but I don't think they earned Winter Soldier the way they did in the comics.
But they don't need to. It makes sense to anyone who saw the first film to have him come back. I mean, it'll be his origin in the sequel. You don't need any additional backstory.
Sure, but I don't think they earned it. In the Cap movie, it didn't seem like Captain America even cared that Bucky was dead... and there was no mention of him in the Avengers movie at all.
I think that's more a necessity of not bogging down Avengers with additional information.
As soon as he died, it became more about his thing with Peggy Carter... it was like "Bucky? Who's that?"
There's plenty of time to have him mourn Bucky in present-day at the start of Cap.
Peggy wasn't mentioned in Avengers either so I can get past that one, plus it will make for an interesting dynamic in the film with Cap's 1940s values coupled with the now ruthless killing machine that Bucky has become.
Sure it will... that's what was so cool about Ed Brubaker's story, too, although in that case, Cap had already been in present day for a long time.
It sounds like we're going to see Bucky's 1940's values paired against the cold war in this one
I think in the Cap sequel, they'd really have to make me believe Cap cares about all the people he knew in the '40s who are now dead.
Maybe they can borrow that panel where he visists the Vietnam memorial.
Have we heard anything about Black Widow being in the Cap sequel? Because she's heavily involved in the whole Winter Soldier thing too (being Russian and all).
I think it's just rumors at this stage.
But it makes sense.
Of all the Marvel sequels for her to appear in that would be the one I'd bet on.
I'm hoping that Jon Favreau's Happy Hogan will be sexting with her in IM3.
"I have to be very careful how I answer this, because it does border on issues of what the movie is. But yeah, he is in a very different time and place. For as well as that style worked for his World War II experience and the origin of Cap -- part of the fun of picking a guy out of one time period and plopping him down in another is that all bets are off. The whole world is different, and that's part of the struggle of the character and the challenge the character faces." That's the quote from Russo yesterday. I suspect he means that they're going to do another "man out of time" angle, but with Bucky in the Cold War.
That makes sense.
I hope they don't do another period piece. Anything further to add? I'm guessing you're both positive thumbs up on the Winter Soldier decision?
Maybe it'll be less about literally doing a period piece and more about a '40s hero versus a Tom Clancy style assassin set in present day.
That's actually a good idea, Silas. I'm still mixed and on a "wait and see."
I'm cautiously optimistic.
I'd argue that Captain America comics aren't exactly ripe with amazing storylines worthy of films. And I love Brubaker's stuff. I think it's a great move.
Go to the next page to read our discussion on Marvel Studios' upcoming Guardians of the Galaxy movie.