Whats less realistic? Sandman or webshooters?

[blind_fury]

Also, when does he get the chemicals from? He has to keep dishing out the money for mech webshooters. They can't be cheap, and in the movie continuty, Pete is exactly Donald Trump.
Just have Parker complain he barely has money for anything else AFTER he buys his chemicals. Problem solved. Spider-man has his web fluid and Peter Parker is still poor.

[blind_fury]

it's the mechanical side that's the problem not the formula.
How so? The webshooter is basically a can of silly string. It's not rocket science.

[Danalys]

since no one knows how to make spider-man web fluid it's perfectly acceptable that it could be made from household chemicals. the pressures involved in the mechanics cannot be delt with however.

[Danalys]

How so? The webshooter is basically a can of silly string. It's not rocket science.

the orders of magnitude difference are massive. silly string is lucky to fire out 2 meters and it gets diminishing returns over time. to fire over 100 meters would require 50 times the pressure. noting how much smaller web catridges are also would increase the pressure. pressure like that would form ****ing diamonds.

[blind_fury]

since no one knows how to make spider-man web fluid it's perfectly acceptable that it could be made from household chemicals. the pressures involved in the mechanics cannot be delt with however.
If Dr.Octopus can make a sun/star, Peter Parker can make a high pressured webshooter.

[Danalys]

dr octopus had the backing of oscorp and a fantasy metal to work with. aswell as years of reseach and development.

[ElectroFlare]

True, it is plausible in the movie continuty that Pete could make the web shooters.

Believe me, web shooters are far more realistic then Sandman is, but I can follow Raimi's reasoning. I kinda prefer organics myself anyway, so maybe i'm a bit biased. But while the webshooters could have worked in the movies, there are plenty of reasons as to why it was a good idea to implement organics.

Now Sandman? I don't know why they picked him, aside from action scenes. Gonna be hard to explain that one.

[blind_fury]

the orders of magnitude difference are massive. silly string is lucky to fire out 2 meters and it gets diminishing returns over time. to fire over 100 meters would require 50 times the pressure. noting how much smaller web catridges are also would increase the pressure. pressure like that would form ****ing diamonds.
So it's believable that this kind of pressure can come from Peter Parkers wrist but not a tiny yet specialized machine?

[Danalys]

nature has often found better solutions to problems than technology has. other wise we'd have cameras as good as eagles eyes. and computers as intelligent as humans. as i said on the first page of this thread how ever many months ago. the organics have the advantage of producing more fluid to increase the pressure.

[blind_fury]

dr octopus had the backing of oscorp and a fantasy metal to work with. aswell as years of reseach and development.
The webshooter is simply an advanced can of silly string and Peter Parker is a scientific prodigy. If you want more realism just add that Peter's father started the adhesive formula and Peter completed it. In our world this probably wouldn't happen, but then again neither would organics or Sandman for that matter.

[Danalys]

your still not getting that it is well over 50 times different. it's like people can make motor bikes. but can a kid make a motor bike that travels at 5000 miles per hour.

[blind_fury]

nature has often found better solutions to problems than technology has. other wise we'd have cameras as good as eagles eyes. and computers as intelligent as humans. as i said on the first page of this thread how ever many months ago. the organics have the advantage of producing more fluid to increase the pressure.
What? Bodily fluids? That's not Spider-man. That's a Man-spider.

Additionally, nature has it's limitations. No animal can leave the stratosphere or travel through space but mankinds technology can.

Man vs nature is what webshooters are all about. That's another reason they're so terribly missed.

[blind_fury]

your still not getting that it is well over 50 times different. it's like people can make motor bikes. but can a kid make a motor bike that travels at 5000 miles per hour.
In Marvel Universe? Probably.

That's what Sam Raimi is forgeting. Spider-man's first appearance was in Amazing Fantasy not "Reality Today".

[Danalys]

okay so now your channeling mr parker and bakerboy.

who's to say nature couldn't find a solution for getting things into space. when it comes down to materials and intricate formations, nature has got the upper hand by far.

the movies aint the comicbook marvel universe they have their own rules for what will work and what wont. the fantasy elements so far have boiled down to biological changes and heavily funded technology.

[blind_fury]

okay so now your channeling mr parker and bakerboy.
I'm channeling truth. If it sounds like them, fine.

who's to say nature couldn't find a solution for getting things into space. when it comes down to materials and intricate formations, nature has got the upper hand by far.
When it comes to adaptability nature takes millions of years while mankind takes days.

the movies aint the comicbook marvel universe they have their own rules for what will work and what wont. the fantasy elements so far have boiled down to biological changes and heavily funded technology.
That brings us back to the thread topic. Sandman is far less realistic than webshooters. So that whole "what works in a comic won't work in a movie" is just a BS excuse.

[Danalys]

sandman comes under biological changes so he fits. a biological change is required for spider-man so therefor any biological change is acceptable. the green goblin and doc ock require technology. the culmination of their life's work with vast amounts of funding. doc ocks arms are even posible to do in the real world they just aren't cost effective. that's apart from the AI which will take years and years to do. i don't want to get started on how bad an idea the AI was anyway. but even so no kid could make them.

to me the webshooters are a fantasy element too far. an unrequired fantasy element, since a nessersary fantasy element can cover the same ground.

also nature has to work faster for the rest of spider-man to happen so that's a moot point when it comes to spider-man.

[Asteroid-Man]

Sandman is more unreal but never the less the whole spidey univrse is unreal.

[Tony Stark]

Spiderman 2099 is not THE Spiderman. I feel that if you disagree with the original Spiderman, then you disagree with the genius of Stan Lee... but thats just me :)

Spider-Man was a compilation of Stan Lee, Steve Ditko, Jack Kirby and half a dozen other people that worked at Marvel. Ditko even said that Spider-Man was never the work of one person.

The whole webshooter thing came from the fact that originally Lee had Kirby working to create Spider-Man. They were influenced by the old "The Spider" comics, and Kirby designed Spider-man very much like that character, and gave him a web gun. Lee didn't like Kirby's direction, so he went to Ditko to work on the character. The "web gun", transformed into what became "web shooters", that's all their is to it.

Many people have drawn and written Spider-man over the years, some good, some not so good, but all have added much to the Spider-man mythos since his inception.

I don't disagree with the original Spider-man, but much of the origin in Amazing Fantasy 15 is irrelivant to today. In the 1960's we were very worried about nuclear war and what would happen. And there were some crazy ideas. Now we know if your exposed to dangerous radio active materials, you don't become a human spier, you die.

Changing to a mutagenic spider, not only is more relevant to the 2000's it's also more factually accurate. Scientists today are doing all sorts of things with recombonate DNA, including putting Spider silk glands in cows, and also the contravercial practice of chimera, or growing human organs in animals.

The organic webshooters are just an offshoot of that, and it does nothing to change the nature of the character. It's just an update to modernize and make the character more relevant to today.

Hell DC made plenty of changes to their characters. The original Superman couldn't fly, he just jumped really far. Wonder Woman used to fly around in an invisible jet, and now she can fly herself. Batman went from a vigilante detective who ran around with a gun and shot people, to the campy "Biff", "Wham" character of the 60's to the brooding Dark Knight in Frank Miller's interpretation.

[Red X]

Both seem less realistic but especially the Sand-Man thingy

Sandman's very orgin is near impossible, to ever happen.

[Lance2039]

I remember hearing somewhere that Spider-Man was able to create the webbing formula and web shooters because, when he was bitten, he gained the inate ability to understand (supposedly as no ordinary person possibly could) how a spider spins a web, thus enabling him to create the web formula and web shooters.

[spyderman2k4]

I remember hearing somewhere that Spider-Man was able to create the webbing formula and web shooters because, when he was bitten, he gained the inate ability to understand (supposedly as no ordinary person possibly could) how a spider spins a web, thus enabling him to create the web formula and web shooters.

That's REALLY interesting, I had not heard that before. Is it still too late for mechanical web shooters? I was kind of taken back when I heard it was too unrealistic... I won't get into it. But what if something happened that he couldn't use his web anymore? (Maybe when going after a criminal he actually gets shot in the wrist... or whatever.) What he goes to Dr. Conners AS Spider-Man, and the two of them discover a formula for web shooters? Personally, I think it would be kinda cool, but that's just me...

[Visionary]

Sandman's very orgin is near impossible, to ever happen.
True, in the real world, yes, but not in the realm of fiction--especially comic book fiction. Sandman/origin and mechanical webshooter would have/will easily be accepted by the audience.

[Visionary]

I remember hearing somewhere that Spider-Man was able to create the webbing formula and web shooters because, when he was bitten, he gained the inate ability to understand (supposedly as no ordinary person possibly could) how a spider spins a web, thus enabling him to create the web formula and web shooters.
This idea came from the 90's FOX animated series. That cartoon had a few great ideas, that made better sense than that of the comics'. Like the reason JJJ really hates Spider-Man and the Venom origin.

[Visionary]

Is it still too late for mechanical web shooters?
No, it's NOT. It depends on them wanting them in the film or not, it's all in the writing. It's not that hard to do, if they wanted to.

[spider-jide]

Sandman's very orgin is near impossible, to ever happen.


So is spider-man's.:o

[the Firestarter]

it's definitely more believable for a teenage prodigy to invent the webslinger... but is it really realistic that a nuclear spider would make the kid have all these incredible powers?

come on, this is meant to be escapist fun. you gotta dispense with reality to a large degree in order to enjoy both comic books and the movies that are based upon them.

[The Lizard]

To rehash yet another element of the good old webshooter debate, there's the classic question of why organics had to be introduced to overcome the "unrealistic" questions of Pete developing and affording them, but then the first movie shows us that slick Hollywood-looking Spidey costume with absolutely no explanation about how Pete was able to afford the materials or sew them together so perfectly.

This is fun...it's like 2001 again. :)

[Visionary]

God should maim us all, like he allowed Lucifer to do to Job's beloved family.:cool:

[The Lizard]

Ah, that punishment doesn't fit the crime. ;)

I only revert back to complaining about the organics once every six months or so.

[spyderman2k4]

I've read these threads for a while, but just now got an account so I could do some posting... it is kind of fun to make the argument about the webshooters. Before S-M 2 came out, I wondered "What if he somehow ran out of organic webbing... like if he couldn't produce it fast enough, and HAD to go to mechanical." Then I saw him swinging through and he didn't shoot his web I'm like "OH MY GOSH!!!" Unfortunately, it didn't turn out how I had hoped. It is definitely a good argument... he MADE his own costume? Seems a little unlikely, but whatever. Theoretically, if they did go to mechanical webshooters (which I think would be sweet), would you (meaning anyone reading) prefer them to be more like the comics (outside of his costume... kinda bulky) or concealable and under his costume? I think it would be kinda sweet to see him with the big metal wristband look from the comics....

[HerosOnFilm]

I'm sure Raimi and company were being too anal about the whole webshooter thing, they were overthinking it, probably left them out because of the logic factor (looking too bulky under the costume). Of course, they didn't physically NEED to be under the costume anyway for them to be in the movie.

In any event, they weren't in the movies, they could revert to what they did in the Flash tv series, and have him eat like a horse in order to produce more webbing....the Flash had to eat like 20 bowls of cereal etc, etc to compensate for his high metablolism. The only way for Spidey to technically make more webbing would be to eat more. Which is pretty silly, woulda made more sense have the shooters. Oh well.

[blind_fury]

none of your business boy.

[TheSlag]

I've read these threads for a while, but just now got an account so I could do some posting... it is kind of fun to make the argument about the webshooters. Before S-M 2 came out, I wondered "What if he somehow ran out of organic webbing... like if he couldn't produce it fast enough, and HAD to go to mechanical." Then I saw him swinging through and he didn't shoot his web I'm like "OH MY GOSH!!!" Unfortunately, it didn't turn out how I had hoped. It is definitely a good argument... he MADE his own costume? Seems a little unlikely, but whatever. Theoretically, if they did go to mechanical webshooters (which I think would be sweet), would you (meaning anyone reading) prefer them to be more like the comics (outside of his costume... kinda bulky) or concealable and under his costume? I think it would be kinda sweet to see him with the big metal wristband look from the comics....

1) Welcome to the boards (posting... that is)

2) Concealed... under the costume.

[Mr. Socko]

geesh, who cares about realism in a Spiderman film.

[TheSlag]

geesh, who cares about realism in a Spiderman film.

*me* ;)

[Red Mask]

Raimi's excuse for not using webshooters was realism. A teenager couldnt create something a major corporation hasnt made (coughnapstercough). Well now he may be using Sandman, one of the least realistic villians in marvel universe. Does that mean we'll see synthetic webbing in Peter Parker's future as well? hmmmm.

I don't see wtf you're talking about.:down

[The Kid]

Now this post from blind fury, I like.

two thumbs up for webshooters!

[The Kid]

A normal spider does not shoot webs from the anus. The webs are produced by one or more separate organs called spinerettes. In some spiders (if I recall correctly), the spinerettes are located in two of the legs. In most spiders, they are located near, but not in, the anus. So if a human were to be combined with a spider somehow, the web would not shoot out of the arse. Actually, the organ in mammals most analogous to the spinerette is the mammary gland, so it'd probably have to be a woman who shot web from her breasts. But for the sake of the movie, we can assume it was a spider whose spinerettes were in its legs and it transferred to Peter's arms. Christ, it's just a movie. :(

I want a spider-girl movie directed by Raimi, pronto!

[The Kid]

Why do you assume Parker testing his webshooters would be cut? It would fit in the movie just as well as the scene where Tobey Maguire shoots organic webbing all over his room.

What about Dr. Ock? His powers werent biological, they were mechanical. The movies allowed for mechanical marvels such as Green Goblin's glider and Dr.Ock's mechanical tentacles, I dont see what so absurd about a webshooting device.

Just like Sam Raimi, you underestimate Peter Parker's skill and resourcefullness. Parker is smarter than you and me. He routinely matches wits with mad scientist and evil geniuses. He can whip up a special web formula to counter some villians special power in minutes. If you made a movie about Sherlock Holmes would you dumb down the character to make him more believable? No, that would defeat the purpose of telling the story.

Parker created the webshooters and webbing formula in days. That what the character is capable of. He's not your average teenager as the movies would have you believe.

Peter Parker makes a million dollar costume without any knowledge of tailorship and the audience believes it right away. Just like time travel in the "Back to the Future" films people accept science-fiction because its fun and imaginative. A time traveling car is silly, but the fact that its a cool idea causes ppl to go along with it. The truth is the movie universe allowed the quick invention of webshooters by a teenager. It doesnt require some elaborate fantasy world. The idea just simply needed to be introduced and the audience would happily go along for the ride.

Great post. :up: :up:

:eek: *applauds* that was beautiful. :up::up::up:

I'll add to the bttf comparison with this show I used to watch called SLIDERS, that used to come on NBC years ago when tv wasn't just LOST and all these other shows.
http://www.primatv.ro/images/seriale/57se.jpg
A Boy genius builds a warp hole making device the size of a remote control. That's ridiculous, but it's scifi, it's supposed to go there and ask WHAT IF xyz happened in real life. Why is it that that's so wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111

[tw9876z]

The most unrealistic thing about spiderman is that he doesnt use his webbing to capture prey. I mean New York is full of pigeons, and peter is poor, why doesnt he make a big old web to capture birds and other animals, like alligators, in new york. Think of the money he would save! I'd set traps all over the place, it could also catch trash and he would clean up NY. then hed be a hero even more, stopping crime and pollution. for a "smart" kid he sure doesnt use his powers to all his abilities.

seriously, think about all the things he could use his powers for which he doesnt (well non-evil or perverted, wait he already used it to get what he wanted.....)

[James"007"Bond]

geesh, who cares about realism in a Spiderman film.

Thank you! Its because of people's concerns for "logical" realism in a film based on pure fantasy is why the spidey movies will forever b foolishly limited and will never deliver upon its true potential.

I'm tired of seeing spider-man executing moves that compensate for human plausibility just because cerain losers nit-pick at the unrealistic physics that may make it impossible for a human to pull off.

Well, last time I checked spider-man isn' just human, he's super-human and we should be seeing some surreal and spectacular feats, wether its display of his physical abilities or the complex scientific genius of his mind.

Why he wasn't given mechs to begin with is still, to this very day a retarded decision but we've covered this for years from every conceivable angle so I'm not going into that but yeah, Mr socko, I share your sentiments because I for one could care less about realism.
I want to see in these spider-man moies the things that made me fall in love with the comics 18 years ago.

[Mister Gone]

Webshooters of course. Inorganic is a simple albeit remarkably compact polymer thrower. Oraganic is a modified mucus compound forced through a muscular sphincter. Sandman is a man made of living sand, come now.

[Mister Gone]

Then again I would beleive in a man made of living sand more than a symbiotic costume from outerspace :)

[Spiderpig]

Why has this been revived?

It's like a turd that won't flush.

[blind_fury]

Why has this been revived?

It's like a turd that won't flush.
good one! :up:

[Mister Gone]

Snickers

[TheCardPlayer]

Every person is made out of matter. Organic matter, but still matter. Sandman is a man whose physionomy changed and he's now made of a different matter.

Scientists are hard at work at recreating a human brain out of synthetic matter. So a man made out of a sandlike substance isn't that farfetched.

But a kid making an extremely powerful sticky substance out of nothing....now that's farfetched.

[Joker]

Every person is made out of matter. Organic matter, but still matter. Sandman is a man whose physionomy changed and he's now made of a different matter

Faeces is organic matter too.Is a living man made out of faeces just as plausible?? ;)

Sandman is made entirely out of sand,yet we are to believe that he's alive.How does he breathe?? Does he have a heart?? Is there blood circulating his body?? Does he have a brain?? How does he co-ordinate his movements without a brain?? Nerve impulses cannot travel along sand.It can't conduct them. How does he even think or have self awareness??

It's utter bull crap and completely implausible,because Sandman's body is made out of sand.But it's fantasy so we suspend it's implauisibility,as outrageous as it is.

But a kid making an extremely powerful sticky substance out of nothing....now that's farfetched.

Nonsense.There are child prodigies everywhere who have accomplished all sorts of great things.And Peter is a teenager mastering in science.And you find it far fetched that he could come up with a sticky web like mixture,with the chemistry knowledge he has??

[TheCardPlayer]

To each his own I guess.

[Mister Gone]

Wooooo burn. I beleive what Card was saying is that a Silica based life form is just as possible as a Carbon based life form. The only problem I can see it that the Silica would still have to form various shapes and specific "organs" to function. The only way I could see sand man in "the real world" is nanites. He is simple a hive body with every microbot in communication with each other, in essence making him a giant walking brain.

I have a 5 year old, beleive me, kids can make sticky stuff that never comes off of anything all the time :P ick

[Trevor Goodchild]

Alright, now I want to say something I already said a long while ago:
I find it silly how people would rather believe more in something they have no clue about than something they think they can explain. If you get my meaning…

[TheCardPlayer]

I have a 5 year old, beleive me, kids can make sticky stuff that never comes off of anything all the time :P ickFor some reason, this comment really shocked me the first time I read it.

[Mister Gone]

Alright, now I want to say something I already said a long while ago:
I find it silly how people would rather believe more in something they have no clue about than something they think they can explain. If you get my meaning…

Nope I'm afraid I don't, is this one of those "I am smarter than you kids so just stop fighting" posts?

[Mister Gone]

For some reason, this comment really shocked me the first time I read it. lol gross, somehow you made it grosser than just snot and mystery Plah Doh mixtures stuck to the ceiling

[TheCardPlayer]

Alright, now I want to say something I already said a long while ago:
I find it silly how people try to appear like they have major wit on Internet message boards but fail miserably. If you get my meaning

[Mister Gone]

And I wanna say something:

Tacos are great!

:D

[Trevor Goodchild]

Was just stating my own personal observation, nothing more.

[TheCardPlayer]

And I wanna say something:

Tacos are great!

:DYes. But fajitas are better. Especially chicken fajitas.

[Mister Gone]

Was just stating my own personal observation, nothing more.

That is perfectly understandable, but that's like walking into a Black Pathers meeting and stating your personal observations about African American stereotypes and the grains of truth they may contain. It is okay to have your personal views, but some times it's better to keep them to yourself.

[TheCardPlayer]

That is perfectly understandable, but that's like walking into a Black Pathers meeting and stating your personal observations about African American stereotypes and the grains of truth they may contain. It is okay to have your personal views, but some times it's better to keep them to yourself.True. Especially when your comments makes you appear like a jackass that have nothing to bring to the conversation and don't even try to be on topic.

[Trevor Goodchild]

If 'silly' means mockery to you then I have doubts about your sense of humor.

[Mister Gone]

I wasn't trying to be insulting about it, just saying that SHH forum posters are like militant group ready to torch anyone at anytime, don't give us a reason :)

[Trevor Goodchild]

Why would you want to be such a person in the first place?

[Mister Gone]

The magical powers it grants us. I myself really hate flaming, granted I will lay into someone if I feel they are being rude or personally insulting, but these forums are made for the expression of what ifs? and if thens? some are based in fact and some are not. It takes a very open and patient mind to read through and allow everyone to express their ideas with out the fear of being called silly or ignorant (think they can explain).
Forums are simply a Coffee shop for everyone to sit around and talk about something without some rotten acoustic guitar player from the community college molesting your eardrums.

[Trevor Goodchild]

Then try to prove me wrong without being so uptight.

[Spiderpig]

Then try to prove me wrong without being so uptight.I'll have a go, if you could just remind me what point you were making again...

[Mister Gone]

I'll have a go, if you could just remind me what point you were making again...
We're dumb and he's not, run with it

[Trevor Goodchild]

My point was that people seem to come up with a hundred explanations as to why Peter couldn't build the webshooters, while at the same time trying to make Sandman logical.
That just makes me think that you have a personal grudge against mechanical webshooters.
Why would you reject them otherwise?

[Mister Gone]

My point was that people seem to come up with a hundred explanations as to why Peter couldn't build the webshooters, while at the same time trying to make Sandman logical.
That just makes me think that you have a personal grudge against mechanical webshooters.
Why would you reject them otherwise?

Ahhhh, I would quote them then, it made it seem like the people immediatly before you were the target of your ire.

[Trevor Goodchild]

Ire?
Heh, what made you think I'm an angry person?

[TheCardPlayer]

My point was that people seem to come up with a hundred explanations as to why Peter couldn't build the webshooters, while at the same time trying to make Sandman logical.
That just makes me think that you have a personal grudge against mechanical webshooters.
Why would you reject them otherwise?And you seem to have a grudge against Sandman. Trying to force your opinion on others?

[Trevor Goodchild]

Not at all.
I never even stated my personal opinion yet on Sandman or the webshooters.

[Spiderpig]

Yeah, what have you got against men made from sand?

Huh?

[Mister Gone]

I hope they don't do HydroMan in 4, I want the Ringer for 4

[TheCardPlayer]

Not at all.
I never even stated my personal opinion yet on Sandman or the webshooters.Yes you did.

''My point was that people seem to come up with a hundred explanations as to why Peter couldn't build the webshooters, while at the same time trying to make Sandman logical.''


See? You can't seem to get that people can think Sandman is more logical then the webshooters. Which is an opinion afterall.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion


''An opinion is a person (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Person)'s ideas (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idea) and thoughts towards something.''


Amazing, huh?

[Mister Gone]

okay I'm officially out of this one. My cape isn't flame resistant.

[TheCardPlayer]

okay I'm officially out of this one. My cape isn't flame resistant.Come back here! I'm not finished.


*grabs lighter and fuel*

[Mister Gone]

Ahhhh sweet Jebus!

[TheCardPlayer]

And now here's the shocker.

Venom is more logical then the webshooters.

[Mister Gone]

:P and my mind has officially been blown.


What do boogers smell like?

[ges681]

if Stan Lee cared enough he would have said not to make the web shooters organic. He realized "its just a movie" and so should you. The movie was made over 4 years ago... its time to get over it.

[The Kid]

Never. As long as I have the power to complain, then I will do it.

stan lee probably cared a great deal. Webshooters were built and test shots of them were filmed so maybe he was under the impression that they were using them, but then they changed their mind later? and stan was off conceptualizing stripperalla in Pam's bedroom at the time?

I know back when this was spidey hype, there were news stories and video of webshooters and I got so excited to see my fav device in live action. Then they didn't use them for the film and I was very unhappy.

[Spiderpig]

if Stan Lee cared enough he would have said not to make the web shooters organic. He realized "its just a movie" and so should you. The movie was made over 4 years ago... its time to get over it.I don't think Stan had much say in the matter. He had to fight tooth and nail to get his cut of the profits.

[blind_fury]

And now here's the shocker.

Venom is more logical then the webshooters.
the most realistic, from least to most.

3) sandman
2) venom
1) teenager making webshooters

nuff said

[Mister Gone]

the most realistic, from least to most.

3) sandman
2) venom
1) teenager making webshooters

nuff said

.5) Spider surviving massive dose of radiation long eough to bite teenager.

[blind_fury]

if Stan Lee cared enough he would have said not to make the web shooters organic. He realized "its just a movie" and so should you. The movie was made over 4 years ago... its time to get over it.
"it's just a movie"?

Joel Schumacher, is that you? :eek:

[TheCardPlayer]

the most realistic, from least to most.

3) sandman
2) venom
1) teenager making webshooters

nuff said What's more realistic. That somewhere out there in the Universe, in the trillions of planets that exists, that there's other civilisations?



Or a teen that makes ultra durable Spider webs in his basement with jack all? Webbing that can support his weight?


nuff said

[Trevor Goodchild]

I apologize. You of course are entitled to your own opinion.
Let me rephrase:
What I don’t seem to get is your persistence to prove or prove wrong something improvable.
I fail to recognize the point in that.
I don’t know, maybe you were simply explaining the logic behind your opinion and I mistook it as another ‘Is to!’ ‘Is not!’ debate. If that’s the case, I apologize again.

I myself base my opinion simply on the fact that child prodigies are indeed a reality while a Sandman isn’t.
But that shouldn’t suggest that I hate Sandman or organic webbing.

[THWIP*]

Now this post from blind fury, I like.

two thumbs up for webshooters!


WHY THE HELL DID YOU REVIVE THIS THREAD?! :down:mad:

AND WHY IS MY NAME IN YOUR CUSTOM TITLE? :confused:

[TheCardPlayer]

I apologize. You of course are entitled to your own opinion.
Let me rephrase:
What I don’t seem to get is your persistence to prove or prove wrong something improvable.
I fail to recognize the point in that.
There.


Now that's a good post! :up:

[Mister Gone]

What's more realistic. That somewhere out there in the Universe, in the trillions of planets that exists, that there's other civilisations?



Or a teen that makes ultra durable Spider webs in his basement with jack all? Webbing that can support his weight?


nuff said

Naw, I'm sure they exist, but how or why they would make it here, is what is in question.

[TheCardPlayer]

Naw, I'm sure they exist, but how or why they would make it here, is what is in question.True. We'll never see them.


So I guess the web shooters ARE more logical. You pwned me!

[blind_fury]

What's more realistic. That somewhere out there in the Universe, in the trillions of planets that exists, that there's other civilisations?



Or a teen that makes ultra durable Spider webs in his basement with jack all? Webbing that can support his weight?


nuff said
There are plenty of teenage prodigies who exist in real life with advanced understanding of chemistry and engineering. Infact for every 5,000 teenage prodigies on the planet you're like to find 0 alien life forms. sorry. :bomb:

nuff said

[Mister Gone]

True. We'll never see them.


So I guess the web shooters ARE more logical. You pwned me!

Unless they go with the Ultimates origin, if Venom is indeed in the movie.

[TheCardPlayer]

There are plenty of teenage prodigies who exist in real life with advanced understanding of chemistry and engineering. Infact for every 5,000 teenage prodigies on the planet you're like to find 0 alien life forms. sorry. :bomb:

nuff saidYeah, but name one that can create Spider-Man webbing out of household items.


nuff said

[Mister Gone]

Say Nuff Said again M&*^%R F*&^%#$!!!! Where's "Nuff Said" do they speak English in "Nuff Said"!?

[TheCardPlayer]

Unless they go with the Ultimates origin, if Venom is indeed in the movie.Now a team of scientists in a lab. Would be the most logical explanation.

But I love Venom was dual entities. Brock and the symbiote...and I want to symbiote to hate Spidey.

Could it be possible to have the Ultimate origin with a thinking symbiote?

[TheCardPlayer]

Stop saying Nuff Said!!!!I didn't start.

[Mister Gone]

I hope that cute skinny chick from across the hall is in this movie

[The Kid]

WHY THE HELL DID YOU REVIVE THIS THREAD?! :down:mad:

AND WHY IS MY NAME IN YOUR CUSTOM TITLE? :confused:

I was curious about what blind posted in the past and this caught my eye when I viewed his post history. That's all. Maybe I shouldn't have bumped it... too late now...

You are special to me. That's why.

[The Kid]

I hope that cute skinny chick from across the hall is in this movie

Ursula? She's a cake specialists and she'll be working at a famous restaurant in spidey 3. You'll see.

[ges681]

"it's just a movie"?

Joel Schumacher, is that you? :eek:

:eek: ouch blind_fury... ive been called some things in my day, but that was below the spidey belt. :(

[PhoenixFire]

Ursula? She's a cake specialists and she'll be working at a famous restaurant in spidey 3. You'll see.
Perhaps she'll develop cakeshooters and all may rejoice...

[Mister Gone]

Perhaps she'll develop cakeshooters and all may rejoice...

Yeah right, that's completely unbelievable. She actually falls into a vat of radioactive cake batter and becomes Cake-Girl, the moist menace, the tender terror. Can Spidey ice this villainess before she, pounds the city flat!

[THWIP*]

I was curious about what blind posted in the past and this caught my eye when I viewed his post history. That's all. Maybe I shouldn't have bumped it... too late now...

You are special to me. That's why.



GEEZ LOUISE.......AS IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH POINTLESS THREADS ALREADY. :down

AWWW....I'M TOUCHED. :O

[PhoenixFire]

Yeah right, that's completely unbelievable. She actually falls into a vat of radioactive cake batter and becomes Cake-Girl, the moist menace, the tender terror. Can Spidey ice this villainess before she, pounds the city flat!

White, yellow, or chocolate?

[Mister Gone]

White, yellow, or chocolate? She controls all cake! She on Omnicakesious

[blind_fury]

Yeah, but name one that can create Spider-Man webbing out of household items.


nuff said
MacGyver could do it and he's far more realistic than a space monster.

[GoldGoblin]

It's fiction people, in the realm of fiction all things are possible. But not if the director/writer(s) DON'T want them to be.

The horse is dead...please stop beating him.:)

^:up:

[blind_fury]

GEEZ LOUISE.......AS IF WE DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH POINTLESS THREADS ALREADY. :down

If pointless means a thread that has the balls to question Sam Raimi's judgement, then yes this thread is pointless. :)

[ges681]

MacGyver could do it and he's far more realistic than a space monster.

chuck norris could do it too.:up: id take him ina fight over spidey and MacGyver.

"chuck norris tears can cure cancer....to bad he never cries....."

[PhoenixFire]

chuck norris could do it too.:up: id take him ina fight over spidey and MacGyver.

"chuck norris tears can cure cancer....to bad he never cries....."
Chuck Norris has no webshooters. Chuck Norris needs no webshooters.

[TheCardPlayer]

Jean Reno> Chuck Norris.


**ck Norris!

[PhoenixFire]

Jean Reno> Chuck Norris.


**ck Norris!
Jean Reno created webshooters, but then modified them to fire Sam Raimi's balls. 'Fans' who have been questioning the existence of said balls danced for joy.

[TheCardPlayer]

Amen to that.

[ges681]

Jean Reno> Chuck Norris.


**ck Norris!

you cant be serious :eek:

"Chuck Norris is the reason why Waldo is hiding."
"Chuck Norris can slam a revolving door."
"Chuck Norris can lead a horse to water AND make it drink."

he's :supes:

[The Lizard]

Now that I'm hearing some dorky local radio stations cracking Chuck Norris jokes, I'm going to have to say that the Chuck Norris thing is played out.





-- But thinking organic webshooters suck will always be cool. :up:

[blind_fury]

Now that I'm hearing some dorky local radio stations cracking Chuck Norris jokes, I'm going to have to say that the Chuck Norris thing is played out.





-- But thinking organic webshooters suck will always be cool. :up:
speak it brotha!!! :up:

[Don Corleone]

I have never liked the idead of having shooters in the movie, but do like it in comics. i just always thought it would just be better like that for film.

having said that, a man of sand, cool as it is, is a hell of a lot less likely realistic than web shooters

[Spawn187]

I have never liked the idead of having shooters in the movie, but do like it in comics. i just always thought it would just be better like that for film.

having said that, a man of sand, cool as it is, is a hell of a lot less likely realistic than web shooters



I agree. Its funny cus people here are just sandman haters. If this would have been venom vs. web shooters they would have a 15 minute rant on how aliens bonding with photographers is believeable for film.

[Don Corleone]

I agree. Its funny cus people here are just sandman haters. If this would have been venom vs. web shooters they would have a 15 minute rant on how aliens bonding with photographers is believeable for film.

LOL you damn right!

[Star]

Honestly, they're both unbelievable. I voted for the webshooters, though, just because i HATED how in the cartoons sometimes spidey would be like 'aw, crap outta web'

wait... that happened in the movie anyway.

whatever, i have no argument. :p

they're both unrealistic, is the jist of it.

[Spawn187]

I any aliens were to come to earth they would take one look around and say nevermind this place is allready F#@k up. and thats a fact jack, or julio, maybe a dashawn, whoever is reading this.

[The Kid]

I agree. What more could aliens do to us that we haven't already done and are still doing? They're probably up there right now watching us, shaking their heads and drinking mango juice.

[blind_fury]

webs coming from a person wrist is a man-made adaptation.

webs coming from the ass is a biological adaptation.

Should we see mechanical webshooters in the inevitable Spider-man restart?

[Trevor Goodchild]

I'll use this revival to state my theory:
Nature does nothing without a reason.
The fact that spiders shoot their webbing from their rear part of the body is so that they can use their webbing function at the most efficient.
Therefore for a human, in this case Peter Parker, it would be majorly uncomfortable not to mention serve no purpose at all, if he would be to shoot his webbing out of his butt.
You should not be translating animal functions to human beings directly. Spider-Man is not a spider, he’s a human-spider mutant hybrid.

[blind_fury]

It's man vs nature.

Man gives certain natural phenomena complexity and dignity via scientific adaptation and vice versa.

We should respect the ingenuity of nature and machines will someday do the same for us theoretically.

[Eternalzero]

Yes. In fact, I will be on them until the day they announce that the webshooters will be included in a new Spider-Man movie.

It's a long wait, I know. Just wanted to answer your question :).

What is the point of webshooters? He can mix cement into them, or "incindeiary web" or etc.... would you like Parker to have poison barbs too?

Webshooters are an unecessary hassel, the only thing they are good for is for combat balance so that he isn't webbing everything all the time, but you can see that if he's not "feeling it" he can't shoot web anyways.

I think leaving webshooters out works well, otherwise you have a fanatic who has to go out of his way to truly become a "spider-man." I think the whole great powers/responsibility bit works best if his powers were given to him, not him going out of his way to get them.

[DoctorJones]

I cannot believe people are still going on about webshooters. They do nothing at all to harm or benefit the story. Give it a rest: the films work fine.

[CalebYourMaster]

sandman is less realistic...but i like the organic webs for spidey movies

[Spider-ManHero12]

Sandman is less realistic. The Web-Shooters are not very realistic, but who knows? Just watch the hsitory channel documentary "Spider-Man tech". :up:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32_r4u09foQ&feature=related

[That'ssuper!]

Wouldn't Flint Marko have disintergrated if he was in such a series of loose molecular bonds? So unrealistic.

[Spider-Bat]

Raimi's excuse for not using webshooters was realism. A teenager couldnt create something a major corporation hasnt made (coughnapstercough). Well now he may be using Sandman, one of the least realistic villians in marvel universe. Does that mean we'll see synthetic webbing in Peter Parker's future as well? hmmmm.That excuse is so dumb. It's suppose to show what a genious Peter is. There are child prodigies out there. Spidey movies aren't realistic that's why I never got this. Raimi's not a realistic guy. And it is a comic book movie and the whole thing about a guy given Spider powers by a genetically engineered spider isn't really realistic anyway. Comics aren't realistic anyway and are not meant to be and never should be. they're supposed to be fun and in the realm of fantasy.